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(转贴)HAHAH Sony?? What HAVE you done??!

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-7-16 18:13  ·  湖北 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
原贴地址:http://blogs.ign.com/AtownKED/2006/07/06/24079

OMFG. I knew something like this would happen sooner or later. Sony's death is neigh. Part of me wants to believe its true, actually most of me. But then theres small part that wishes this werent true.

And even though nothing was confirmed, They way ActionMan put everything together it just fell in place perfectly with everything Sony has done. This is crazy.


*****DISCLAIMER*****
About to post a RUMOR!
I REPEAT, THIS IS A RUMOR!!!!!!!
Nothing posted below can be confirmed.

START RUMORS:
Action Man - Sony is having a hard time as of late with some old allies, mainly due to their dealings with the PSP
Action Man - Do you remember the preliminary Sony PSP release lists they released way back at TGS 2k4?
Action Man - It had wonderfull games on em like Devil may cry
Action Man - Shin Megami Tensei
Action Man - King of Fighters Maximum Impact
Action Man - Gran Turisimo 4 Mobile etcetera
Action Man - Those games shouldnt have been on those lists because the developers never intended to release those games for PSP
Action Man - If you'll recall, Sony Computer Entertainment Japan were the ones who announced DMC for the PSP, not Capcom.
Action Man - Sony however because of lack of high profile third party development for PSP put them on the release lists anyway and then started to strongarm the publishers to actually make those games
Action Man - Sony failed big time
Action Man - They outright lied with the PSP to show it had more support then it really had
Action Man - and that they arent able to do the same with PS3 now because people are catching up to their previous lies
Action Man - they anounced a **bleep**load of games that the devs themselves didnt even wanna make
Action Man - GT4 mobile
Action Man - same **bleep**
Action Man - they streamed PS2 footage on a PSP screen for that


Action Man - A double embaresment not only because the likes of Capcom, Atlus etcetera refused to be blackmailed into making those games
Action Man - But more so because even a Sony first party developer put it on the backburner(Polyphony with GT4 Mobile)

Action Man - Now Sony is planning to do the same for their next PS3 showing but the publishers are refusing to play along
Action Man - Sony has been begging em to anounce certain franchises and new IP, even if they are not working on em
Action Man - They have tried to convince them to make CG trailers claiming to be games in development
Action Man - Yet the Devs are not playing along this time

Major Tom - you have this on good authority?
Action Man - yah
Action Man - devs themselves


Major Tom - any franchises we know of?
Action Man - no comment
Action Man - some big **bleep**
Action Man - and big devs

Major Tom - sounds like they were trying to prep for tgs
Action Man - more like their summer show and leipzig games con and then TGS
Action Man - but yeah
Action Man - its looking grimmer then expected
Action Man - way things stand now
Action Man - with the games being prepared for release up until april
Action Man - MS will blow them away in quality, quantity
Action Man - as well as graphics
Action Man - thats why they wanted devs and publishers to show target **bleep** claiming its games in development so people will say
Action Man - hey the x360 killer stuff is coming
Action Man - but they dont want that
Action Man - because they dont even know if they want to make those games for PS3 AND it would cut into the sales of the early games they have for next gen systems because people might figure to wait for the anounced games instead of buying what will be available shortly
Major Tom - sony is getting smacked down by japanese devs it seems
Action Man - yup


Major Tom - Sony expects publishers to shell out money to produce CG movies of games that havent been signed?
Action Man - they offered to ofset that by deducting that from the liscensing costs if the games get made and come to market
Major Tom - wow
Action Man - in effect helping em to develop CG and make sure that the games would come to market
Action Man - they did the same before
Major Tom - i see
Action Man - They are sponsoring MGS4 for instance since they know the importance of that title
Action Man - Its nothing they havent done before
Action Man - They funded the killzone PS3 CG show and were commited to fund it even before they aquired Guerrilla outright
Action Man - same with second party stuff like Motorstorm
Action Man - that CG presentation which they claimed it was ALL GAMEPLAY was paid for with Sony money as well
Action Man - and as it is
Action Man - even the entire development of games like Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm despite not being first party games is entirely funded by Sony
Action Man - same with some PSP commissions they have going

Major Tom - and the CG movie is the initial hook?
Major Tom - the offer to have it made is the way they are approaching devs?
Action Man - Exactly
Action Man - they need to because very few companies seem willing to invest the 20 million+ needed to push the PS3 system to x360 or past x360 levels

Major Tom - that is really pathetic
Action Man - they need it

Major Tom - then again look at the only real ps3 gameplay that has been shown
Major Tom - it is awful
Action Man - they need killer software, real or otherwise,to push installed base of PS3 past x360 in the first few years
Action Man - in order to get the installed base of blu ray players high enough so they can kill of HD DVD and kickstart the new format
Action Man - third parties are wary after previous Sony promises never panned out
Action Man - Current PS3 is a lot weaker then the killer box Sony told em to wait for 3 years ago
Major Tom - wow
Action Man - Their first party software alone is not enough
Action Man - that has been proven by the PSP
Major Tom - one thing, are big devs turning Sony down?
Action Man - yes
Major Tom - on their CG offers?
Action Man - just check Ubisoft's recent public comment about the PS3 needing a pricedrop in 2007, that comment wasn't as innocuous as some might think.
Action Man - EA is doing the same in private
Action Man - and even Square/Enix has threatened to take Dragonquest elsewhere and threatened by making FFXIII core games multiplatform if they are unhappy with PS3 performance
Major Tom - holy crap
Major Tom - you arent bull**bleep**ting are you?
Action Man - Nope
Action Man - meanwhile
Action Man - Companies like Rockstar and Ubisoft are angry about Sony's unwillingnes to pay for timed exclusives to the extent they used to while Sony has aided Sega of all companies to the tune of several million dollars to get games like VF5 exclusively
Action Man - This is because Sony realises that games like VF5 at Sega and their entire Koei partnership(the reason why they showed of crap like Genji2 of at E3) are important for them to secure critical mass in Japan
Action Man - So the western developers feel left out
Action Man - for a company like Rockstar its very hard to accept that they are seen as lesser then Koei by Sony, its hard for them to accept that they have to play second fiddle
Major Tom - What timed exclusives did sony ever get from ubi? Or is that in reference to Assasin's Creed?
Action Man - for instance yes
Action Man - unless Sony pays up to ubisoft
Action Man - in hopes of securing and reaching critical mass fast in japan
Major Tom - right
Action Man - ubisoft will decide that they can make more money by releasing the game simultaneously on ps3, 360 and pc
Action Man - they dont want to be killed again by nintendo
Action Man - like the DS is killing PSP
Action Man - thats a very real fear for sony for Japan
Action Man - the thing is, those western devs have more leverage in that respect
Action Man - because they KNOW it will sell on x360
Action Man - unlike vf5, Koei games etc.
Action Man - So the Western devs need Sony to make it worthwhile for them to stick exclusive, something Sony isn't willing or capable of doing at this point.
Action Man - Losing the number 1 spot in japan would mean they lose the number 1 spot worldwide
Action Man - japanese centered developers would make Wii games instead of PS3 games and International oriented developers(like koei and Sega) would switch to multiformat and timed exclusive publishing
Action Man - all things that would kill Sony's long term chances worldwide

Major Tom - now that dq, ff13 **bleep**, you have that on good authority?
Major Tom - because that is HUGE
Action Man - yah
Major Tom - wow
Action Man - they are threatening
Action Man - doesnt mean it will happen
Action Man - sony will most likely cave in for such a title
Action Man - and give em a big moneybag anyway
Action Man - we shall see.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-7-16 18:14  ·  湖北 | 显示全部楼层
转翻译地址:http://bbs.levelup.cn/bbs/dispbb ... D=270831&page=1

     某个被隐去姓名的业内人士在采访中再次暴出惊人内幕,我只翻译,是真是假你自己来判断。
前半段说了些PSP第3方游戏的密闻,我不懂掌机游戏,不翻了,后半段开始。。

Action Man -现在SONY打算把掌机上的那套又照搬到PS3上了,只是这次有些厂商不愿配合了。在SONY已公布的一些作品中,包括一些名作和新作,有些根本还没有投入开发。于是SONY便劝说厂商做一些CG,让人们相信游戏已在开发中了。

Major Tom -你的消息可靠吗?

Action Man -是的,那些开发者自己说的。

Major Tom -他们打算让厂商花重金做CG吗?
Action Man -他们会给厂商一些权利金上的优惠,并帮助他们完成CG,比如MGS4,他们知道这个游戏的重要性。之前他们也直接赞助了KILLZONE的CG,还是在他们买下Guerrilla 之前。第二方的游戏Motorstorm也是这样。要厂商说这些CG其时是 GAMEPLAY ,这样他们会付钱的。一些第二方的游戏如Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm的开发费用都是SONY直接出钱的。

Major Tom -那些CG是前题条件吗?
Action Man -是的,说好了必须由SONY出钱,因为很少厂商原意花上2千万以上的予算来制作一部达到或超过360标准的游戏。

Major Tom -现在再看看那些能实际让人玩到的PS3游戏,怪不得那么糟。
Action Man -他们需要一些PS3的杀手级软件,不管是不是真的,先让人们认定PS3的强大,顺便也能把HDDVD扫地出门。而现在的PS3的实际性能比他们3年前宣称的要弱太多了。

Major Tom -现在有厂商对他们的做法不满吗?
Action Man -Ubisoft最近已公开提出要SONY在2007年降价。EA也在私下里提出过。甚至Square/Enix 也威协要把Dragonquest 放在其他主机上,他们还威协如果PS3表现不佳,FF13他们也会跨平台的。

Action Man - ROCKSTAR和Ubisoft对SONY不愿付钱暂时性独占他们的游戏很不满,相反,SONY却赞助了SEGA很多钱来获得VF5。因为SONY觉得拉拢SEGA和Koei对他们的日本市场很重要。所以西方开发者觉得被轻视了。象ROCKSTAR这样的就更难接受他们的地位还不及Koei。

Major Tom -SONY从UBI得到了暂时性独占的游戏是什么?Assasins Creed?
Action Man -是的,除非SONY把钱付清。现在UBI觉得跨平台才能让他们赚到更多。

Action Man -SONY很怕在日本被nintendo再次打败(就象DS对PSP那样),所以他们才那么看重SEGA和Koei这样的厂商。而西方厂商也知道360在日本不可能卖过PS3,但他们不想这么便宜让PS3独占他们的游戏。

Action Man - 失去日本市场第一也等于失去全球第一。现在以本土市场为重心的日商已把重心放在了WII上,而不是PS3。而那些以全球化为市场的日商如koei and Sega会转向跨平台或让一台主机暂时性独占。情况就是这样。。。

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发表于 2006-7-16 18:17  ·  台湾 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2006-7-16 18:18  ·  湖北 | 显示全部楼层
欧!!!我的老天啊!!!!!!!!,,这个算是爆炸性消息啦!!!!!!!!!!!。。。。。完了。。ps3真的危险拉。。

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发表于 2006-7-16 18:18  ·  黑龙江 | 显示全部楼层
"Action Man - 失去日本市场第一也等于失去全球第一".........这人是日本人?
又是所谓的业内人士...这种消息可信可不信.看看罢了.
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发表于 2006-7-16 18:19  ·  北京 | 显示全部楼层
下面是引用jr7105于2006-07-16 18:18发表的:
"Action Man - 失去日本市场第一也等于失去全球第一".........这人是日本人?
又是所谓的业内人士...这种消息可信可不信.看看罢了.
来吧 讲讲失去日本而得到全球第一的游戏机

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发表于 2006-7-16 18:20  ·  河北 | 显示全部楼层
说的再好,利宜还是第一位。没有永远的朋友,日商还没傻到赔本赚要喝。
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发表于 2006-7-16 18:20  ·  江苏 | 显示全部楼层
恩...总觉得讲的太简单了,如果付钱就能独占那也太简单了吧...

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发表于 2006-7-16 18:24  ·  黑龙江 | 显示全部楼层
下面是引用pih于2006-07-16 18:19发表的:

来吧 讲讲失去日本而得到全球第一的游戏机
mj好,我只是问了一下这个人是不是日本人.因为他的思维习惯很像.
至于你问失去日本而得到全球第一的游戏机,这个我还真不清楚.

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发表于 2006-7-16 18:25  ·  新西兰 | 显示全部楼层
好長的一段話....
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