日式欧美RPG，大家觉得哪个更强？？？

Μathree · 发表于 2005-11-22 15:13 · 河北

欧美业内人士早在90年代末就发出了“欧美RPG已经死了”的感叹，现在看来，也确实如此。如今除了偶尔有零星美式RPG面世外，基本已经难觅其踪了。现在一说美式RPG，人们提起的也还是数年前的那几款，像辐射、博德、异域。至于RPG祖师爷级的创世纪、巫术早就不出续作了，已经快被人遗忘了。

xiaolulz · 发表于 2005-11-22 15:14 · 香港

如果gamespy的50 best games of all time, gamespot的game of the year, rpg of the year等等等等之类的褒奖不算“世界的广泛认知度和接受性”的话，嗯，可以说美式rpg只有一个“小圈子”^_^

莫扎特和周杰伦比是不合适。。。Jay-z比Justin吧，你可以说前者做的不是音乐，也可以说后者不过是Timberfake，但两个都是拥趸千万的山大王级人物

xiaolulz · 发表于 2005-11-22 15:16 · 香港

欧美rpg不是简单地死了，而是投胎成mmorpg了

死恐心也 · 发表于 2005-11-22 15:39 · 上海

日本RPG有一部分能让欧美接受

但美试RPG有让日本接受的吗

jjjjjj0106 · 发表于 2005-11-22 15:46 · 湖南

都有经典的游戏啊，不好比

knjy · 发表于 2005-11-22 16:13 · 湖北

gamespy的50 best games of all time, gamespot的game of the year, rpg of the year 都有哪些经典rpg游戏?　　　　对于欧美玩家评的优秀作品，　可以表明一些他们对rpg的看法．

显示全部楼层 · 发表于 2005-11-22 16:20 · 上海

下面是引用zhaolinjia于2005-11-22 12:31发表的:
挑几个双方最具代表性的作品，比较一下权威媒体的评分，再看看游戏销量，明显都是日式RPG占优。

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1. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic  XBOX  LucasArts  102  9.0 93.9% 94.8%
2. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn  PC  Interplay  34  8.9 93.5% 94.4%
3. Pokemon Silver  GBC  Nintendo  20  8.0 90.6% 93.1%
4. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic  PC  LucasArts  50  8.8 92.9% 93.1%
5. Chrono Cross  PS  Square Enix  42  8.7 92.2% 93.0%
6. Baldur's Gate  PC  Interplay  20  8.7 91.3% 92.5%
7. Vagrant Story  PS  Square Enix  40  8.4 91.1% 92.5%
8. Final Fantasy IX  PS  Square Enix  48  8.7 91.8% 92.1%
9. Final Fantasy VII  PS  SCEA  30  9.1 92.9% 91.7%
10. World of Warcraft  PC  Blizzard Entertainment  59  8.4 90.5% 91.7%
11. Final Fantasy X  PS2  Square Enix  75  8.7 91.8% 90.9%
12. Planescape: Torment  PC  Interplay  43  8.7 91.0% 90.7%
13. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga  GBA  Nintendo  66  8.7 90.5% 90.4%
14. Skies of Arcadia  DC  Sega  44  8.8 90.4% 90.3%
15. Golden Sun  GBA  Nintendo  54  8.7 89.6% 89.9%
16. Final Fantasy VIII  PS  Square Enix  35  8.4 89.1% 89.8%
17. Phantasy Star Online  DC  Sega  44  8.6 89.7% 89.4%
18. Jade Empire  XBOX  Microsoft Game Studios  90  8.5 88.8% 89.4%
19. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind  PC  Bethesda Softworks  54  8.7 89.6% 89.4%
20. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Game of the Year Edition  XBOX  Bethesda Softworks  24  8.7 88.3% 89.3%
21. Paper Mario  N64  Nintendo  33  8.7 88.9% 89.0%
22. Guild Wars  PC  NCsoft  49  8.4 89.8% 89.0%
23. Diablo II  PC  Blizzard Entertainment  55  8.6 87.5% 89.0%
24. EverQuest: The Ruins of Kunark  PC  SCEA  20  6.8 88.0% 88.9%
25. Neverwinter Nights  PC  Atari  62  8.3 89.5% 88.9%
26. Dark Cloud 2  PS2  SCEA  79  8.4 88.8% 88.7%
27. Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal  PC  Interplay  30  8.3 87.9% 88.6%
28. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door  GC  Nintendo  66  8.5 87.6% 88.4%
29. Final Fantasy Anthology  PS  Square Enix  20  8.6 85.1% 88.3%
30. Final Fantasy Chronicles  PS  Square Enix  21  8.5 85.6% 88.2%
31. Freedom Force  PC  Crave  38  7.9 87.9% 87.9%
32. Grandia II  DC  Ubisoft  35  8.5 87.6% 87.5%
33. EverQuest  PC  Sony Online Entertainment  30  6.8 88.2% 87.2%
34. Kingdom Hearts  PS2  Square Enix  86  8.5 87.5% 86.9%
35. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords  PC  LucasArts  30  8.0 86.4% 86.9%
36. Dark Age of Camelot  PC  Mythic Entertainment  27  6.9 87.1% 86.9%
37. Grandia  PS  SCEA  34  8.1 84.6% 86.9%
38. Suikoden III  PS2  Konami  34  8.4 86.6% 86.8%
39. Golden Sun: The Lost Age  GBA  Nintendo  50  8.6 87.1% 86.7%
40. Animal Crossing  GC  Nintendo  75  8.4 87.6% 86.7%
41. Final Fantasy X-2  PS2  Square Enix  76  8.0 85.0% 86.6%
42. Tales of Symphonia  GC  Namco  74  8.5 86.0% 86.2%
43. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction  PC  Blizzard Entertainment  38  8.4 84.4% 86.2%
44. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind  XBOX  Bethesda Softworks  76  8.5 86.3% 86.2%
45. Freedom Force vs. The Third Reich  PC  Irrational Games  45  7.3 85.2% 86.0%
46. Skies of Arcadia Legends  GC  Sega  57  8.3 85.7% 85.8%
47. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords  XBOX  LucasArts  68  8.5 86.2% 85.8%
48. Shadow Hearts: Covenant  PS2  Midway  46  8.3 85.5% 85.7%
49. Final Fantasy XI  PS2  SCEA  56  7.9 84.8% 85.7%
50. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance  GC  Nintendo  30  8.7 85.6% 85.6%
51. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance  PS2  VU Games  63  8.2 84.5% 85.4%
52. Fallout 2  PC  Interplay  28  8.7 86.8% 85.4%
53. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse  PSP  Activision  21  7.5 84.6% 85.3%
54. Icewind Dale  PC  Interplay  43  8.1 85.1% 85.3%
55. City of Heroes  PC  NCsoft  54  7.6 86.2% 85.3%
56. Fable  XBOX  Microsoft Game Studios  106  8.3 85.2% 85.2%
57. Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark  PC  Atari  31  7.5 84.8% 85.1%
58. Champions of Norrath  PS2  Sony Online Entertainment  71  8.2 85.3% 85.1%
59. Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht  PS2  Namco  60  8.3 83.9% 84.7%
60. Wizardry 8  PC  Sirtech  26  8.2 86.0% 84.6%
61. Dungeon Siege  PC  Microsoft Game Studios  60  7.6 84.5% 84.5%
62. Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2  PS2  Atlus Co.  21  7.5 83.7% 84.4%
63. Pokemon Ruby Version  GBA  Nintendo  51  7.8 82.8% 84.3%
64. Final Fantasy XI  PC  Square Enix  41  8.0 83.7% 84.2%
65. Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete  PS  Working Designs  22  8.3 84.3% 84.2%
66. Pokemon Sapphire Version  GBA  Nintendo  48  8.2 83.2% 84.1%
67. Valkyrie Profile  PS  Square Enix  21  8.1 83.1% 83.9%
68. Asheron's Call 2: Fallen Kings  PC  Microsoft Game Studios  29  7.0 82.4% 83.8%
69. EverQuest II  PC  Sony Online Entertainment  49  7.2 83.7% 83.7%
70. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse  PS2  Activision  43  8.2 81.7% 83.7%
71. Fable: The Lost Chapters  PC  Microsoft Game Studios  56  8.1 83.9% 83.5%
72. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse  XBOX  Activision  50  8.1 83.0% 83.5%
73. Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II  GC  Sega  53  8.3 83.5% 83.3%
74. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne  PS2  Atlus Co.  42  7.9 83.9% 83.3%
75. Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete  PS  Working Designs  21  8.1 83.3% 83.0%
76. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance  XBOX  Interplay  52  8.0 83.2% 82.7%
77. X-Men Legends  XBOX  Activision  66  7.6 82.6% 82.7%
78. Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II  XBOX  Microsoft Game Studios  48  7.8 81.5% 82.5%
79. The Elder Scrolls III: Bloodmoon  PC  Bethesda Softworks  30  8.4 82.9% 82.5%
80. Pokemon FireRed Version  GBA  Nintendo  39  7.9 81.9% 82.3%
81. Icewind Dale II  PC  Interplay  34  7.8 81.5% 82.3%
82. X-Men Legends  GC  Activision  45  7.9 82.2% 82.2%
83. Star Ocean: Till the End of Time  PS2  Square Enix  57  8.2 80.6% 82.2%
84. Nox  PC  Westwood Studios  35  7.5 82.4% 82.2%
85. X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse  GC  Activision  31  8.0 81.8% 82.1%
86. Suikoden II  PS  Konami  22  8.3 81.1% 82.1%
87. Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town  GBA  Natsume  31  7.6 82.4% 82.1%
88. Divine Divinity  PC  CDV Software  28  7.6 82.1% 82.0%
89. Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga  PS2  Atlus Co.  36  7.5 82.4% 81.9%
90. Breath of Fire IV  PS  Capcom  27  7.8 79.5% 81.9%
91. Pokemon LeafGreen Version  GBA  Nintendo  38  7.7 82.0% 81.8%
92. The Elder Scrolls III: Tribunal  PC  Bethesda Softworks  25  8.1 80.7% 81.8%
93. Asheron's Call  PC  Microsoft Game Studios  28  6.9 82.4% 81.7%
94. PlanetSide  PC  Sony Online Entertainment  46  7.2 82.4% 81.4%
95. Earth & Beyond  PC  Electronic Arts  30  6.6 81.1% 81.4%
96. Mega Man Battle Network  GBA  Capcom  22  7.5 80.5% 81.3%
97. Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II  PS2  Interplay  58  8.0 80.3% 81.2%
98. Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean  GC  Namco  54  8.0 81.5% 81.1%
99. Growlanser Generations  PS2  Working Designs  21  7.2 80.5% 81.0%
100. Dragon Warrior VII  PS  Enix Corporation  26  8.0 77.3% 80.9%

显示全部楼层 · 发表于 2005-11-22 16:24 · 上海

下面是引用死恐心也于2005-11-22 15:39发表的:
日本RPG有一部分能让欧美接受

但美试RPG有让日本接受的吗

连小岛秀夫都说，日本人就知道RPG
再加上一句，日本人就知道日式RPG
日本人把他们的日式RPG当国宝了，狭隘自大的日本人怎么可能接收别的东西
日本人本质就是个封闭的群体
你试着出国到日本和美国，看看哪里更容易溶入社会就明白了

Μathree · 发表于 2005-11-22 17:38 · 河北

下面是引用xiaolulz于2005-11-22 15:14发表的:
如果gamespy的50 best games of all time, gamespot的game of the year, rpg of the year等等等等之类的褒奖不算“世界的广泛认知度和接受性”的话，嗯，可以说美式rpg只有一个“小圈子”^_^

莫扎特和周杰伦比是不合适。。。Jay-z比Justin吧，你可以说前者做的不是音乐，也可以说后者不过是Timberfake，但两个都是拥趸千万的山大王级人物

全世界玩家中不知道FF的恐怕寥寥无几，而不知道上古卷轴的恐怕就比比皆是了。一个奖项并不能说明“世界的广泛认知度和接受性”，一个游戏在全世界范围内的认知和销量才能说明问题。
说道IGN，GAMESPY等评出的TOP 100，阁下可以细数一下到底里面日式RPG有多少，美式RPG又有几个，再看看排位。另外，请查看天下第一权威的GAME SPOT的评分排名，还可以上GAMEFAQS看全世界玩家给出的评选。日式RPG的地位之高恐怕超出你的想象。说到这里，你可能会认为我是偏激的日式RPG FANS，其实非也，日美RPG我都很喜欢，这两种不同文化背景的产物差异极大而又各有千秋，应该说都很优秀，我觉得在两者间盲目分高下有些浅薄幼稚。今天也是途经这里看到某些偏激言论才出来说两句，冒昧之处还请见谅。

Μathree · 发表于 2005-11-22 17:39 · 河北

下面是引用wave4ever于2005-11-22 16:24发表的:

连小岛秀夫都说，日本人就知道RPG
再加上一句，日本人就知道日式RPG
日本人把他们的日式RPG当国宝了，狭隘自大的日本人怎么可能接收别的东西
日本人本质就是个封闭的群体
.......

这么说有些片面，其实主要还是要从游戏自身找原因。
传统美式RPG在欧美销量也很凄惨，连欧美人自己都不接受，否则黑岛也不至于倒啊。 [s:83]

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