[感想]xg玩后小感

小雷温

帮助家园的是法师+盗贼，不是合格的法师，但作为补助法师是不错的。而你如果是战士的话，那么她的家园任务对你是很重要的，这里就不先剧透了，不过你可以考虑优先完成。

马戏团的aeris是法师+牧师，被称为系列器女王的后期强大角色。当年我不懂怎么让她发挥最强实力，原本最近那次重温，想好好研究下的，你有兴趣可以参考别人的帖子。

Viconia因为是专职牧师的，所以是最强的牧师，也有她的优势的。

组合你自己好好选择吧，战法牧盗基本上有人选就行了。我也常只用aeris与J姐姐的牧师技能就足够了。

a9bnm

刚找到的《星际争霸2》的画，很有《异形大战铁血战士》的感觉。。。。。。。。。

osk666

下面是引用小雷温于2009-12-06 18:57发表的:
FF的评分我大致上觉得不错，先不说游戏的内在素质，但加上视觉效果来看，那个评分也挺有道理的...

不过ff9没玩过，估计osk等人不会赞同。

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嗯，ff9的确是比较反对，如果ff8,ff7能够得到9.5,ffx能够得到9.3，
ff9肯定是9.4
可能大家看到系统那里没多少东西可选的原因吧
实际上ff9是把系统做到整个游戏
而不是单纯系统界面而已

小雷温

评分一般上都是先看到最表面的东西的，例如看起来神的剧情，看起来神的系统，看起来神的画面等，所以如果是一开始不够吸引力，玩下去才知道魅力的游戏，评分有时会很可悲的。不过ff9我觉得算是很好了，可能毕竟还是有FF的招牌，我想当年那些习惯ff7和8的评分者，看到那个人设和画面风格，还会给这个分数，算很厚道了...

sylphis

发现喜欢9的人一定会把8往死里黑，很有趣

小雷温

帝兄这里回复你，攻略字不少的：

首先你肯定要选viconia了？她不像常看到的日式那种御姐的，如我之前说的，性格有点扭曲，另类，黑暗，所以先确定你不会太反感性格扭曲的角色，否则追mm的话，还是追aeris那种让人想保护的类型的也不错...

如果你决定了，就用这个攻略吧。全部英文的，我不可能去翻译的，不过大致说明下...

首先这个攻略并没有把所有的恋爱对话列出来，只有“问题”与“答案”。LD1的意思就是，love dialogue 1，就是恋爱对白1的意思。LD1，就是 你与mm第一次的恋爱对话，其中她会说些东西，然后最后你得选择回答的对白等。一般上一段恋爱对白里，你可能会需要选几次的对白，不过这个攻略里是列清楚了。

一般上带着该mm，在游戏进行一段时间后（真实时间），就会在“露天”的地方（城镇，野外等）才会触发，在地下迷宫那些是不会触发的，而实际上在随时会丧生的迷宫里谈情说爱是不合理的...而触发对话后，你就要进行”问题回答”了。胡乱选择，是会马上结束恋爱剧情的，这点非常苛刻。

所以这就是我建议你直接用攻略的原因。

总之V姐姐加入你的一段时间后，LD1会触发，再过一段时间后，LD2会触发，如此继续下去，只要选项正确，就能从陌生人，变成朋友，变成恋人，然后H，然后...直到结局的感情结局。顺带一提，有个mm会为你生宝宝，然后会出现在物品栏里（汗），不过不是V姐姐就是了。

这个攻略了，其实我觉得我不解释你也能明白的，就是每段恋爱对话，跟着那个‘choose option’旁边的数字，选择对话选项就是了。例如LD1，可以做2次对话选择，第一次选择时选2，第2次时选1。全部这样弄下去就是了。然后第2次的恋爱剧情（LD2），你的选项是连续7次第一个选项，如此推类吧。

不过顺带一提，我曾经遇到过恋爱对白次序不一样的情况，2着调换那样，或被skip掉等。所以可以的话，选择前也看看一下攻略里的英文字，是不是真的是那个“问题”，你玩中文版的，对照起来应该更好猜测英文意思了吧。


LD1:    'So...what draws you to this part of Faerun?  Amn?  Athkalata?  I
seem to recall you mentioning some mission or some other bother.'   
   

    Choose option 2

    'How are you going to hunt down these culprits who ambushed you?  
Vermin rarely leave scent or footstep.'   

    Choose option 1

LD2:    'It's a strange time along this Sword Coast.  The brink of war was
averted, but the countryside remains hazardous to the citizenry.'

    Choose option 1

    'The war your half brother nearly started.  What do you think I
was speaking of?

    Choose option 1

    'Perhaps 'his' war died.  That does not mean that other conflicts
won't arise.  Perhaps I ramble on, if you wish I'll stop bothering
you.'

    Choose option 1

    'It has been trying past endurance (char name) (sigh).'

    Choose option 1

    'My neighbour was Roran Midfallow, a stout sun burnt farmer.  We
spoke often and allowed the male to bring me supplies that I
needed but could not acquire.'

    Choose option 1

    'I had grown weak in my trust.  They chortled as I lost
consciousness saying how easy it had been and congratulating each
other on a fine...fine catch.'

    Choose option 1

    'I split the coffin lid and let the earth in.  I clawed to the
surface, pain did not slow me...I would not let weakness deter me
from vengeance.'

    Choose option 1

    'He dropped to his knees in shock, which afforded me height
advantage as I caved his head with a miner's mallet.'

    Choose option 1

LD3:    'I wish to...apologize...for unburdening myself upon you before.  I
was so foolish to be weak in Beregost, and worse yet to speak to
you about it.'

    Choose option 2
    'My entire existence has been thus since I left the Underdark.  
Surfacers hate the Drow without relent, and I erred in thinking
otherwise even for a moment.'

    Choose option 2

LD4:    'I have been watching you for a time as we travel.  You have a
pleasing look about you, I think.  The sort of musculature that
would make a woman swoon with desire.'

    Choose option 1

    'Perhaps.  And what do you think of Viconia hmmm?  Does her ebony
glow spur lustful thoughts?  Does her sharp beauty give you
singular twinges of desire?'

    Choose option 2

LD5:    'I have been thinking a little.  I have been thinking of the time
I spent with the rivvil...the humans...and I have found nothing
redeeming or worthwhile in them.

    Choose option 2

    'Name one surface dweller who has treated me with ANY civility!'

    Choose option 2

LD6:    'So...it must take a very driven man to lead his life always on the
road.'        

    Choose option 3

    'Yes, I have noticed the type of man that you are.  Intense,
determined, strong...all the qualities I have grown to like most
colnbluth exist in you.'

    Choose option 1

    'Our long lives are static, we feel no urgency.  Despite
appearance, we become complacent.  If the Drow had your drive...it
would be a Second Age of conquest!'

    Choose option 1

    'It is unfortunate that most of the good traits of the colnbluth
are held in pale little lives no longer than a firefly's.   Here
and there they flicker, then sad death.'

    Choose option 1

LD7:    'I have been thinking, and I think that I may have been
exceedingly harsh in my treatment of you once again.'

    Choose option 1

    'I have toyed with your feelings unfairly, placing you down with
the other males I have known...and you have not been like them.  It
was...wrong of me.'        

    Choose option 2

LD8:    'Have I ever told you about how I survived when I first fled to
the surface?'
    Choose option 1

    'There I was hunted by the dirthiir...surface elves...and their honed
hatred drove me even further.  I was sure I would perish, never to
see the Underdark again.'

    Choose option 1

    'Does it amuse you that I had to run my dark hands through his
sweaty folds and tickle him artfully with my tongue, that he
exerted himself wildly as I passionately bit his shoulder?'

    Choose option 3

    'Oh do not look at me in such a manner.  Does your manhood wilt
from talk of using Drow knowledge of the erotic to survive in your
world?  Is it so terrible?'

    Choose option 1

LD9:    'Tell me...has there been anyone special to you?  A thief of your
heart?

    Choose option 2

    'Never a special one who has waited for her hero's return?  The
idea has value.  I myself, hope to retire to a home that doesn't
change by the day.'

    Choose option 3

    'You think so?  I cannot wait for the final act of this play,
then...I am sure it will be worth waiting for.'

    Choose option 1

    'Your heart is heavy with lust and burning desire, and beats
proudly and strongly...but shall it be mine or another's?

    Choose option 2

LD10:    'What was your life like before you were an adventurer?  Didn't it
seem simpler?  Less complicated?

    Choose option 1

    'Didn't it seem simpler, easier in flavour?  There were less
entanglements, far less chaos.  We weren't always exploring some
dank, ruined place.'

    Choose option 3

    'Do you?  And do you think that such excitement will grip your
sense forever?  Is there no longing for peace within you (char
name)?'

    Choose option  3

    'It would be nice, wouldn't it (char name)?  To leave the
insidious schemes and psychopathic  for madmen for others to
battle and prevail over?'

    Choose option 2

    'That is an offer worth bearing witness to.  It merits serious
consideration (char name).

    Choose option 2

    'I will definitely consider its value and place in my life (char
name).  I appreciate your words of friendship as well...it is not
words I am familiar with.'

    Choose option 1

LD11:    'Hmmm...I am wondering this:  do you ever entertain the notion of
marriage?'

    Choose option 2

    'To commit to one person in all matter?  It seems a bizarre
internment to me, tantamount to slavery.'

    Choose option 1

    'Variety is the spice of life.  The drudgery of having the same
partner...it would have to be a unique and special person indeed.'

    Choose option  3

    'From what I have seen.  Surface custom is not so different from
ours.  Of course, Drow ***ure allows for 'husbands' to be
disposed and replaced.'

    Choose option 2

    'Perhaps.  I haven't devoted much thought to it, though I have
noticed that the role of male and female are reversed on the
surface.'

    Choose option 1

LD12:    'I have been thinking about the Divinity that flows through your
veins.'

    'Does it fire your ambitions (char name)?  Is there a lust within
you superceding mere passion, a desire to lord over others as a
conqueror and superior?'

    Choose option 1

   
LD13:    'Please disregard the things I said to you earlier.  They were ill
conceived.  You...you are not drow and not worthy of such insults.'

    Choose option 2

LD14:    'I have been told little about this 'Bhaal' of yours, but I am
unfamiliar with him.  Among the drow, we are taught nothing of
other gods, and little enough about our own gods beyond Lloth.'

    Choose option 2

    'Yes, gods like Ghaundaur, and Vhaeraun hold some power, but Lloth
is the strongest by far and forbids even their mention.'

    Choose option 1

    'Nightsinger is a mistress of darkness and loss.  I was born of
darkness and have lost much: my faith, my home...Shar has returned
much.  I am greatful to Her.'

    Choose option 1

    'It is diffi*** to describe.  The Underdark is a place of great
evil and danger, but also of beauty and wonder.  Would you like me
to tell you of it?

    Choose option 1

    'But these images pale before memories of the Spider Queen, and
the worship I began so young.  Beauty is diffi*** to find in the
blood that I let flow in her name.'

    Choose option 1

    'He screamed as the blade entered, and split blood when I
punctured his lungs.  To the delight of the matron mothers I
pulled out his heart still beating.'

    Choose option 1

LD15:    'Have I told you how it is that I came to flee from the
underdark?'

    Choose option 1

    'One of the lesser priestesses noticed my hesitation and she took
the babe's life, herself, eager to usurp my place in Lloth's
favour.'

    Choose option 2

    'But I refused.  I was disgusted with my Queen, so I cursed my
mother and endangered my House.  In my naivete I thought that I
would survive after my actions.'

    Choose option 1

LD16:    'I am ready to continue my tale if you are willing to hear it.'

    Choose option 2

    'I would have died, in fact, were it not for...if it were not for my
brother.  My poor, foolish brother.  Valas...

    Choose option 2

LD17:    'Tell me something do you have much of a family?'

    Choose option  2

    'I cannot understand the relationships...the closeness that the
families of the surface retain with each other.  In the Underdark,
things are very different...'
Choose option  2

'There are normally no...'brothers,' although some males are
favoured than others.  Most simply exist to serve the Queen and
House but this is not always the case.'

Choose option 3

'In the end...he saved my life.  He...he prevented my sacrifice and
killed our mother giving me the opportunity to flee.

Choose option 1

LD18:    'My... brother...is finally what made me break my faith fully from the
Spider Queen.  His actions, I mean...saving me from sacrifice.'

    Choose option 2

    'I had begun to question Lloth's appetite for power and absolute
devotion with the child, but  I did not cast her out of my heart
fully until Valas saved my life.'

    Choose option 1

    'I was forced to flee the Underdark, making my way quickly to the
surface before the other drow could stop me, cursing and crying
the entire way.'

    Choose option 1

LD19:    'If you would...if you would please sit with me for a moment, I
would be thankful.  I find myself uncharacteristically overcome
with anxiety and am not...eager...to be alone for the evening.'

    Choose option 1

    'I have been...thinking of Lloth.  She is cruel, not known for
forgiveness...and always takes revenge...collecting the lapsed and
fallen.  I know she will come for me.'

    Choose option 2

    'It will mean...it will mean nothing.  Lloth's reach is far...and I
fear there is no escaping it...

    Choose option 1

    '(char name), I am frightened to my very core!  Do not leave me
alone!  Stay with me this night.  I...I need to feel your flesh next
to mine, to embrace your strength...'

    Choose option 3

LD20:    'Well I see that you are finally awake.  I hope that your pathetic
exertions last night brought at least one of us some measure of
pleasure.'

    Choose option 2

    'It was not.  I have seen limp and blind fish with more virility
than you.  I would have preferred the crude pawings of a goblin
than suffered your rough hands.'

    Choose option 2

    'Do not deny your salivating male desires, fool.  I found the
thought of your touch pleasing, but now I know better...you are
nothing more than a boy in a man's clothing!'

    Choose option 3

LD21:    'You have no impetus to carve an empire, and you are certainly no
Lord of Murder.  I have decided you are weak and cowardly, not fit
for the godsblood flowing within you.'

    Choose option 2

    'You nauseate me (char name)...is it not reason enough?  I look upon
you and I see something that I would rather squish under my boot.'

    Choose option 2

LD22:    'Do not stand so close to me.  It is bad enough that I have to
smell your stench on the occasional breeze...must I also bask in
your rancid aura?

    Choose option 1

LD23:    'I have a confession to make to you.  Give me your ears for a
moment and listen, if you possess the sense.'

    Choose option 2

    'So then.  What do you think of that (char name)?  What do you
think of me now?'

    Choose option 4

    'I am a creature of dark lusts you fool!  Why are you not
disgusted by this?!  Turn away from me, spit on me and curse my
name I command you!'

    Choose option 3 or 2.  I have chosen 2 and the dialogue ends.

LD24:    *this is triggered by sleeping*

    '(sigh)I...I cast my white flag before you.  I can struggle no more.  
You have...you have defeated me.'

    Choose option 1

    'If you will have me, I shall not push you away again...stay with me
tonight, (char name), let us be together in earnest.  Let me savor
the unfamiliar fear that goes with this trust.'

    Choose option 4

LD25:    'A good morning to you.  Or at least, as close to morning as we
come with these strange hours that we keep.  I trust your
exertions were worthwhile?

    Choose option 3

    'You are not so terrible, (char name), for a male.'
   
    Choose option 2

LD26:    'Tell me...did Gorion tell you many tales of the Underdark?  Did he
perchance mention some of the races that lived below?'

    'That and the delight they seem to get from cracking open your
skull like a hen's egg and drinking everything swimming inside
your head.'
   
    Choose option 2

    'The first sign of Kuo Toa are the reek of dead fish.  Head away
from the water they need to survive.   Risking a fight is to
flirt with the Cold Maiden'

    Choose option 1

LD27:    'Do your people have any kind of rite of passage into adulthood?  
I am curious.'

    Choose option 2

    'He thought me a beggar seeking guidance.  He was surprised when
he learned I was Drow, but not as much when I used his holy mace
to cave his forehead.'

    Choose option 1

    'And the act pleased Lloth.  Pleasing the Spider Queen was our
ethos and our mantra...girding ourselves to conquer the other
races.'

    Choose option 1

LD28:    'What about the time before the Life?  Before the endless travels,
days in the dark with death on your heels?  Who was your closes
ally then?'

    Choose option 2 (what I did anyway but I don't think it really
matters)

    'Why do you consider him such a good teacher and close friend?'

    Choose option 2

LD29:    'Have you devoted any thought to what you will do once this whole
business is over with?'

    Choose option 2

    'I have thought on the future myself.  With a little ambition I
see us carving an empire, ruling a small kingdom, and living in
the hedonistic luxury that we are meant to!'

    Choose option 2

LD30:    'We are to stop now and rest are we?  I suppose that is good and
well, as I am exhausted nearly to the point of dropping.  Come,
then, my mrann d'ssiniss, and let us get our coupling over with
quickly.'

    Choose option 2

    'I may be tired, but I look forward to showing the arts I learned
as a Drow.  I hold a degree...of...affection for you (char name).  How
else am I supposed to show this?'

    Choose option 2 (Please note, because I am extremely drained today
I can only be doing with the quick but effective measure.  You can
choose option 1 which is better and then you just have to play it
by common sense really!)

LD31:    'You are awake I see.  That is good.  I have been watching you for
some time...thinking.  I wish to share my thoughts with you.'

    Choose option 1

    In the next dialogue Viconia basically explains that she wants to
break up with you.  This is inevitable and so don't worry about
it.

    Choose option 2

LD32:    'I have an odd feeling.  I do not...think...I have ever felt it like
this before...'

    Choose option 2

    'It is almost as if a dark whisper is traveling Faerun, searching,
seeking out...something...I...fear it is searching for me.'

    Choose option 1

    'It...no...there it goes.  The feeling...has vanished.  But that does
not mean it will not return.  I...I am suddenly quite cold inside...'

    Choose option 1

LD33:  *The fight with the demon thing and the handmaiden!  Whooo hoooo!  
Showdown time!  

    After the battle Choose option 2

    Then Choose option 1

LD34:    'Back away from me, you pathetic fool!  Do not cast your eyes upon
me!  I told you to let me be ilbilith!!  Are you so insipid and
moronic that you cannot understand such simple instructions?!

    Choose option 1

    'You...you are an affront to me...I wish this had never come to be!'

    Choose option 1

LD35:    'This...is not working...between us.  It will never work, and I think
you know this.  There can only be one outcome.  This can only end
poorly.'

    Choose option 2

    'We must poison our hearts, my ssinssrigg...we must do what is
necessary and cleave us apart before it is too late.'

    Choose option 2

    'There is no way, (char name) you know that.'

    Choose option 2

小雷温

顺带一提，aeris和anomen有大约20段恋爱对话，V姐姐有35次，J姐姐38次。全程是很长的，可能你SOA要通关后都还没完成...如果有这样的问题的话，我教你用修改器触发吧，不过这是很后面的事情了...

然后TOB里有另外的恋爱对话，忘记有多少个了，过后再发你...

帝国皇帝

好的。。先谢谢小雷了。。

osk666

下面是引用sylphis于2009-12-07 17:42发表的:
发现喜欢9的人一定会把8往死里黑，很有趣

这个也不一定吧，起码偶不会这样= =
其实FF9的开场也很精彩啊？

小雷温

文化区让我想起以前与osk讨论的东西，心情又不好中，所以ps的rpg就不说了，反正明年这个时候说不定该补的都补得差不多了，可以到时再说，不过估计我的看法不会改变太多，因为我这个人是在玩ff7和博得后，仍然永远记得仙剑1与天之痕的感动，并不会去否定当年的感动的人。

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今天上班闲着（当官就是好...）胡思乱想，发现一个以前想的东西总算有结果了。

我这个人从小就喜欢在心里搞些排名什么的，而我的心目中rpg排行榜里，每次要想起第一名，总是马上能得到答案，没悬念。而第2名，几乎也不需要考虑多久，每次答案都是我今年刚重温通关的那个日式rpg。而第3名一直难以选择...因为有好几个人选，一直找不到决定性的理由分出高下。

不过最近某游戏通关后，久违的多年没试过的马上进入2周目后，原来心目中的第3名也决定下来了。

有趣的是，我最爱的5个系列的游戏，在上述说的rpg前3名里，竟然只有1个入选，其他2名都不属于那5个系列。